Time for another skill update/changes thread

[Turbobusa]

Ancestor's rage at 10e would still be worth it and would require a little more management, I like.

Fear got tripple nerfed in your version, and TBH I'm not a fan of 4 sec recahrges. raised cost and target foe only, I'm ok with that, but those timers just don't make it.

[ensoriki]

Would there be anything wrong with Distracting Blow being Unblockable.

Going into detail why doesn't seem to push things in my favor so I'll
just say It would be useful.

[kvndoom]

Wild Blow- melee attack- 5e 6r: If this attack hits, any stance being used by your target ends. Wild Blow cannot be blocked. (50% chance of failure with Strength of 4 or less)

It just sucks that one of the most useful Warrior utility skills can't even be used by a Warrior. Lose the guaranteed crit, make it unabuseable by non-warriors, and lose the adrenaline sac.

[yum]

Originally Posted by kvndoom

Wild Blow- melee attack- 5e 6r: If this attack hits, any stance being used by your target ends. Wild Blow cannot be blocked. (50% chance of failure with Strength of 4 or less)

hmm, that sounds scary to me. The warrior's bars are good enough w/o such skill.

[Rohan]

Make Heal Sig More Usable Woooooooooooooooo

[Llint]

Originally Posted by Rohizzle

Make Heal Sig More Usable Woooooooooooooooo

Great start tbh...

Anyway, how can we buff Healing Signet, and other stuff (Like troll unguent) without making they overpowered.

[Yue]

Barbed arrows should really lose the "easily interrupted" clause.

[Riotgear]

Originally Posted by Llint

Anyway, how can we buff Healing Signet, and other stuff (Like troll unguent) without making they overpowered.

Reduce heal, 1-second cast. However, as has been pointed out, that's not really going to keep you from getting shitcanned in the enemy base.

As bad as Troll is, I don't think it's in need of a buff simply because Rangers are already packed with survivability from Natural Stride and Mending Touch already.

[Tamuril elansar]

Originally Posted by Yue

Barbed arrows should really lose the "easily interrupted" clause.

yes, and troll ungeunt shouldn't have 3 sec cast time, its ridicilous...

[neoflame]

An argument thread between good players (David, Yue) and bad (Fay Vert, oles) on why Troll Unguent shouldn't get a cast time buff

[Neo-LD]

Its getting old, but get rid of Barbed Arrow's easily interrupted clause, nerf Hex Eater and Ancestors Rage.

Im not quite on board with the Magebane haters. Magebane is definitely not in the same degenerate category as, say, Augury of Death & co. Ranger interrupts, very much including Magebane Shot, are the stuff that kills the degenerate stuff, and Im very much inclined to let them continue to do so. If that allows a few fools to achieve sporadic effectiveness through spam, so be it. Skilled players will make better, more consistent use of it.

[TheOneMephisto]

Originally Posted by Neo-LD

Im not quite on board with the Magebane haters. Magebane is definitely not in the same degenerate category as, say, Augury of Death & co. Ranger interrupts, very much including Magebane Shot, are the stuff that kills the degenerate stuff, and Im very much inclined to let them continue to do so. If that allows a few fools to achieve sporadic effectiveness through spam, so be it. Skilled players will make better, more consistent use of it.

That's why I think that magebane's stats should just be changed to 10r with a 20 sec disable, making it even better for good players but unable to be spammed and (as) easily used by bad players.

[I Phoenix I]

Originally Posted by TheOneMephisto

That's why I think that magebane's stats should just be changed to 10r with a 20 sec disable, making it even better for good players but unable to be spammed and (as) easily used by bad players.

That's just an elite Distracting Shot with unblockable though...

[Rohan]

Take off the -40 armor from Heal Sig imo

[TheOneMephisto]

Originally Posted by I Phoenix I

That's just an elite Distracting Shot with unblockable though...

Are you complaining? I'd say that dshot is already probably on elite-level, and having two dshots on one bar is already really powerful and easily worth your elite slot (the only reason it doesn't see GvG play is because cripshots movement control is just SO good).

As someone said before, anything better than dshot is probably going to be too powerful just b/c of how powerful dshot is.

[Jaen]

Originally Posted by TheOneMephisto

Are you complaining? I'd say that dshot is already probably on elite-level, and having two dshots on one bar is already really powerful and easily worth your elite slot (the only reason it doesn't see GvG play is because cripshots movement control is just SO good).

As someone said before, anything better than dshot is probably going to be too powerful just b/c of how powerful dshot is.

If that change is made, if magebane shot continues to be run it will replace dshot on the bar and not savage.

Rangers want a spammable and disposable interrupt for predicting the use of skills while not sacrificing their ability to have a stronger interrupt (dshot) against spells they can get reflex (1s + casts).

On the other hand, if that change is made, magebane will essentially be dshot but unblockable, making it much less attractive vs cripshot which has tremendous utility in the current meta.

Right now Magebane is replacing savage and it being elite is warranted by the fact that its

1)unblockable
2)5e instead of 10e(savage)
3)Spell disable not skill disable(dshot)

I don't think magebane needs a nerf but if one were to happen, I believe the best one would be adjust energy cost from 5e to 10e.

And yes, agree with Yue that barbed arrows should've had that easily interrupted clause removed for a long time now. The reason it hasn't is because Izzy does not want rangers to have easy access to bleeding; which is ridiculous considering how powerful and prolific condition removal has become.

[Riotgear]

Originally Posted by Jaen

If that change is made, if magebane shot continues to be run it will replace dshot on the bar and not savage.

D-shot should not be a candidate for replacement, ever, it's one of the best skills in the game and is more of an elite than any other Ranger elites are.

The problem as I see it (I think I've said this before) is that Rangers already have godly interrupt capacity, they don't need to be made better at it. It would be like giving Mesmers an elite 5/1/8 Diversion that "only" causes 30 second disable and "only" on spells.

[TheOneMephisto]

Originally Posted by Jaen

If that change is made, if magebane shot continues to be run it will replace dshot on the bar and not savage.

Rangers want a spammable and disposable interrupt for predicting the use of skills while not sacrificing their ability to have a stronger interrupt (dshot) against spells they can get reflex (1s + casts).

On the other hand, if that change is made, magebane will essentially be dshot but unblockable, making it much less attractive vs cripshot which has tremendous utility in the current meta.

Right now Magebane is replacing savage and it being elite is warranted by the fact that its

1)unblockable
2)5e instead of 10e(savage)
3)Spell disable not skill disable(dshot)

I don't think magebane needs a nerf but if one were to happen, I believe the best one would be adjust energy cost from 5e to 10e.

No. Having 2 dshots on a bar is already so powerful that giving up savage would definitely be worth it, and having one of the dshots being able to hit through stuff like aegis, guardian, WoW, and shields up is just extra icing on the cake. Of course, people probably wouldn't drop savage either, they'd just drop their elite (as they have to) and not use anything else, it's not as if the standard ranger template needs anything else to be effective. Then they basically become this interrupting machine, throwing out dshots pretty much at will while still retaining savage spamming for random stuff and poison spreading.

I fail to see how this would be weak in any way, and I suspect that even this weakened version of magebane might be too powerful (at least in TA) just because how powerful having 2 dshots on a bar is.

[Randvek]

Originally Posted by ensoriki

Would there be anything wrong with Distracting Blow being Unblockable.

Going into detail why doesn't seem to push things in my favor so I'll
just say It would be useful.

I agree 100% on this. It's an attack meant to distract, not to deal damage, so why should blocking affect it at all? If they block it, the distraction obviously worked! Makes no sense.

[Jaen]

Originally Posted by TheOneMephisto

No. Having 2 dshots on a bar is already so powerful that giving up savage would definitely be worth it, and having one of the dshots being able to hit through stuff like aegis, guardian, WoW, and shields up is just extra icing on the cake. Of course, people probably wouldn't drop savage either, they'd just drop their elite (as they have to) and not use anything else, it's not as if the standard ranger template needs anything else to be effective. Then they basically become this interrupting machine, throwing out dshots pretty much at will while still retaining savage spamming for random stuff and poison spreading.

I fail to see how this would be weak in any way, and I suspect that even this weakened version of magebane might be too powerful (at least in TA) just because how powerful having 2 dshots on a bar is.

Split scrim much? Like morale boosts at all? Like punishing opposing teams for retreating?

Dshot + Magebane + non-elite interrupt bar?
Good luck trying to anticipate 3/4s casts with 2 10s interrupts.

EDIT: non-interrupt elite -> non-elite interrupt. Should make sense now.